Deane clarifies immigration policy
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By Cheryl Chumley
Published: June 3, 2008
Black, brown, white or otherwise—no matter the skin tone or ethnic background, if you're arrested in Prince William County, your immigration status will be checked.
That's the enforcement intent of police, as explained by police Chief Charlie T. Deane in a press conference Tuesday, just minutes after he presented a brief immigration policy update to supervisors at the McCoart Administration Center about 2:30 p.m. The nature of both the board presentation and press conference was to clarify how an April 29 immigration policy change initiated by supervisors would play at the police level.
"If someone is arrested, their immigration status will be checked," Deane said.
That basic tenet of the county's immigration policy will go into effect at the latest by July 1, after all police have received the one-to-two hour blocks of training. Prior to that, Deane clarified, immigration status was checked when two distinct criteria were met: a "violation of law and probable cause" to suspect illegal residency, he said.
The April 29 policy change, when combined with the upcoming police enforcement—which comes by way of General Orders 45-01 and 45-02—will allow officers the easiest means of implementing law with the lowest threat level of lawsuit, said Chairman Corey Stewart, R-at large, who held his own press conference just prior to the board meeting, at 1:30 p.m.
"This change does lower the possibility for racial profiling and lessens the possibility of unjust legal charges," he said.
A police press release explains other nuances of the enforcement plan: "The basic difference in [this] policy will be the required state at which police officers will inquire into the immigration status of individuals," the release reads, in reference to the April 29 board directive for police to check residency at the "post-arrest" stage.
"However," the release continues, "police officers will retain the discretion to make inquiries prior to arrest consistent with the law and sound policing practices." Further, the Criminal Alien Unit's six trained detectives will continue their mission of "focus[ing] on serious criminal activity that involves illegal aliens," Deane said to board members.
The gist is this: While police will check the immigrant status of all taken into physical custody, they will also retain the authority to check residency status when reasonable suspicion compels.
Deane, in his press conference, said the differences between reasonable suspicion and probable cause were topics best handled by lawyers and the court system. He did offer one scenario of how that standard might work on the street, however.
"If an officer stopped someone … for a traffic violation, and the officer has reason to believe the individual has given a false name," Deane said, "the officer has the authority to, and would be likely to do, an immigration inquiry."
As for the clearer-cut provision of checking immigration status of all those taken into physical custody—Vice Chairman John Stirrup, R-Gainesville, asked Deane for a layman's definition to help the public better understand the significance of the term and why physical custodial arrest does not necessarily lead to incarceration.
"Half the people we physically arrest are released at the magistrate level," often on bond, Deane said. "Physical arrest … [is] we put cuffs on them and take them to the magistrate."
Where they go from there is the magistrate's decision, Deane explained.
The loophole the April 29 amendment closes is this: If checks are only performed at the jail, as prior policy required, then untold numbers of illegal immigrants could have sidestepped law when the magistrate set them free on bail.
In brief, numbers presented during Deane's conference indicated that between March 3 and May 30, a total of 265 individuals were contacted by police on suspicion of illegal alien status. Of that, 138 were placed in physical custodial arrest; 59 were released on summons; 66 were identified and set free without charge; and two were identified and confirmed legal residents.
Staff writer Cheryl Chumley can be reached at 703-670-1907.
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Posted by ( phdee ) on June 05, 2008 at 8:25 pm
Based on court decisions, “loitering” in and of itself is not a crime, as you fascists apparently don’t know. What about malls, where people “hang out”? Loitering? You bet. —Checking citizenship status is a fascist gestapo tactic, one pushed by fascist Stewart and his goons on the BOCS. A citizen doesn’t have to carry some “proof” document with him to prove his citizenshp. Hopefully, the police/BOCS will blunder, and we can have a good court case(s) - one that costs the county money.
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Posted by ( Gervy9890 ) on June 04, 2008 at 2:46 pm
Two things: Regarding the people hanging around 7-11, the police cannot enforce anything without the store calling in a complaint and wanting them to be removed from the area. This morning at the Coverstone 711 PW Police were there because the people were approaching cars pulling into the store. (Myself being one of them) The clerk told the officers she didn’t care if they stood outside. No complaintant (store)..no crime.
Second: The BOS instructs the Chief to do all this mess. So, don’t shoot the messanger.
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Posted by ( willow703 ) on June 04, 2008 at 12:10 pm
Chief Deane says, “If someone is arrested, their immigration status will checked.”
Under what authority, Chief? I am not a lawyer, but since our criminal laws apply to all within our borders, citizen & non-citizen, I fail to see the legal relevance of citizenship status to anything other than reasonable suspicion of being here illegally.
Giving a false name to police is grounds for a citizenship check? Of course, our native born criminals never give false names to police.
Two hundred & sixty-five persons were detained on “suspicion of illegal alien status.” Suspicion prompted by what? Two were “confirmed to be legal”, 148 were arrested & 125 were released. Were those 125 legal or illegal? If not “confirmed to be legal”, why were they released, Chief Deane?
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Posted by ( kyte ) on June 04, 2008 at 11:17 am
Vic must have better vision than I do… I use the 7-11’s frequently because their ATMs are free to credit union members. Have yet to see any of the vagrants he is talking about. Plus most of the Latino’s I am certain he is referring to, why would he think they are illegal if there skin was not brown, are legal residents and from El Salvidor and not Mexico.
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Posted by ( ejben ) on June 04, 2008 at 11:05 am
Way to go Vic! Loitering is what we feel needs enforcing,as we see it increasing up and down Rt. One.
Tried for several years to get Barg to do something and now Principi wants to ignore it.
The Police use to check out the teen loiterers in the past years,so why not now???
Who cares what age they are, if they hang around all day,get there and round them up.
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Posted by ( Vic ) on June 04, 2008 at 8:36 am
While I wonder about the Chief’s continuing efforts to reinterpret this policy—I also continue to question his commitment to enforcing the resolution. All that I can conclude from the numbers briefed thus far is that they are still way too low—both in the number of detentions and the number of illegal aliens turned over to ICE for deportation proceedings. The fact that hundreds of illegal aliens are still being released back into our community is simply unconscionable. Despite a continuing and growing problem with thousands of illegal aliens brazenly destroying our community, the only constant is that the chief continues to ask for further delays and even more time to “train” his officers.
Case in point: look around the parking lot of any 7-11 store in the county, and you will still see dozens if not hundreds of vagrants loitering there—each day and every day. The police could and should arrest any and all of them for loitering—and a good number for public intoxication and other substance abuse charges. And once you look into it, it will be easy to establish that a vast majority of these vagrants are illegal aliens. But for some reason, these areas continue to be gathering places and sanctuaries for these unsavory characters—while the police basically ignore their responsibility to enforce law and order within our community, and tacitly permit it all to continue.
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Posted by ( dave ) on June 04, 2008 at 7:21 am
Gestapo Chief Dean must really enjoy being a hate monger against PWC Hispanics and its citizens! Don’t trust citizens, check their “papers”, and blindly follow orders from the racists Stewart and Letique. I’m sick of PWC and its racist policies and steps towards segregation!
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Posted by ( dotherightthing ) on June 04, 2008 at 6:36 am
Great job. Thanks for enforcing our laws.
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Posted by ( kgotthardt ) on June 04, 2008 at 6:07 am
Chief Deane is a true professional. I have a lot of respect for him. And I understand what he is saying: if you get arrested, then you will get your status checked, no matter who you are. If you are driving without a license, same thing. If you go to jail, same thing. Hey, that is fair and clearly stated now—no mandate from the BOCS telling cops how to do their jobs.
But the irony, is we never needed to spend this much money so the cops could do their jobs! And now the cops have to run community meetings all over again. Meanwhile, programs Manassas Day Care for the elderly are getting axed. Come on. There has to be a little government accountability here.
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