Residents’ budget concerns vary
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By Cheryl Chumley
Published: April 8, 2008
If anything could be drawn from public comments presented to Prince William supervisors in the opening hour of Monday’s hearing on the proposed fiscal 2009 budget, it’s that no clear consensus was emerging. Proposed 2009 budget
In quick succession, three speakers proposed cutting the $25-plus million funding that’s set aside for immigration resolution implementation in the next few years, leading casual listeners to perhaps conclude that the majority of the 200 or so in attendance believed similarly. But that train of thought soon gave way to another trend: “don’t raise my taxes,” which became a common theme.
“You have gotten used to spending this kind of money,” said Sarah Marie Pantzer, a Manassas area resident, referring to past years when the budget season was not so tight. “You’re going to adjust the tax rate so you can continue spending this money. Last time I checked, that was gluttony.”
Put another way, “the champagne’s gone, we’re on beer now,” said another speaker who advised supervisors to find ways to cut the waste and lower the tax rate.
On the table is $1 rate per $100 of assessed real estate values. That figure could change in the weeks of budget debate to come, but the lowest that has been broached publicly has been 95 cents.
Other speakers expressed concern with the impact of a $1 rate on business.
“On the business side, it’s going to put many businesses out of business,” said Barry Braden, a Nokesville resident who has owned a business in Prince William for 27 years. “There’s a lot of waste in this county … and fuel prices have closed down just about everyone I know in the construction business.”
In Braden’s own business, he said, his fuel operating costs have increased from $6,000 every two weeks to $13,000 for the same time period. And a more-than-$1,000 tax increase this year would only stretch businesses to the point of near-breaking.
The answer, fellow Nokesville resident Mark Melius agreed, is rooted in the supervisors’ ability to cut waste — and influence others to do the same.
“I support lower than the $1 rate,” Melius said, adding that the projected 8 1/2 percent raise in property taxes on the average homeowner will actually hit him harder because of raises in values. “My tax rate will go up 18-and-a-half percent … I cannot afford the increase.”
His suggestion was for supervisors to use their budget influence to push the Prince William County Schools into savings.
“I have seen waste, I have seen the overcompensation of administrative staff, I have seen incorrect spending priorities,” he said.
And Woodbridge resident Tim Melton expanded on that line of thought.
“Let’s bring the increases, the salaries of the top eight [administrative school staff], back in line with the real world,” Melton said, saying that the 6 percent cost-of-living and merit pay increases budgeted for school employees would translate into an incomprehensible increase for the superintendent, more than $14,000. Database of school employee salaries
“Tell them to bring their budget down,” he told supervisors, adding that the board also ought to consider doing away with funding its immigration policy. “I don’t understand why we’re trying to take on a federal issue. Let’s not do the federal job for them.”
Still others petitioned the board to adopt the $1 rate, or even higher, in order to fully fund existing county programs.
“I’m a fiscal conservative and typically I would tell you don’t raise taxes,” said county resident Austin Haynes. “But if you don’t fund your budget this year and fund it properly, next year you’re going to be in the same [situation] … You want to fund ICE, don’t take it from [fire and rescue].”
Former county attorney Sharon Pandak agreed; bickering over pennies in the tax rate is needless, she said.
“It’s only a couple of pizzas each month,” she said, referring to the impact a higher rate would have on most county residents.
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Posted by ( zcxnissan ) on April 10, 2008 at 7:42 pm
Correction to all as per recent Potomac News articles ESOL enrollment has dropped 800 saving the county 8 million instead of 6 million, of course that’s not counting drops in public school and public assistance programs. Savings probably within the neighborhood of 15-20 million actually. Dropping the Illegal Resolution will only make the budget worse and the downturn worse, we don’t want to end up like Fairfax County or Md. do we? Of course this hasn’t been factored into this year’s already hammered out budget. Chris Cummings
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Posted by ( don450 ) on April 09, 2008 at 9:23 am
To me, dropping the immigration initiative is a no brainer...it’s usually not a good idea to start new initiatives when your resources are low and declining. Let’s do this when the economy and home values rebound. Then we will be able to afford it.
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Posted by ( zcxnissan ) on April 08, 2008 at 8:02 pm
Sorry Ray homeowners are not the biggest hirers of illegals, the contractors that contract or subcontract them out to homeowners as well as the construction industry are the biggest hirer of illegals. Phdee ESOL enrollment has dropped at least 600 students probably higher by now, at a cost of 10000 per individual per year as related in news stories in the Potomac News and i believe the Washington Post as well. Phdee i did not say that the budget was totally resolved because of the positive effects of the Illegal Resolution. Many things have factored into recent positive news regarding the budget like not building that school for one and savings generated by illegals yanking their kids from schools and declining ESOL enrollment. I will never hire an illegal to work on my house. You better furnish an actual license or be a family friend of which i have two that do home improvement work and they are 100 % legal citizens. Kgotthardt, Walts is a crook, or do you even read the news especially the story out of New York. Phdee the school system is seeking more money for teachers raises which is only fair since they are not getting a fair salary, albeit the teaching and students of Virginia is excellent compared to Md. or D.C. Chris Cummings
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Posted by ( kgotthardt ) on April 08, 2008 at 5:11 pm
“I have seen waste, I have seen the overcompensation of administrative staff, I have seen incorrect spending priorities,” he said.
I’m always confused when I hear people refer to “administration.” When I hear that word, I think at the school level: principles, vice principles, team leads, support people, admin. assistants, etc. Those folks don’t make enough for the headaches they have.
I also think we DO need a new admin. building. The old one on that base is too small. That whole compound needs to be revamped into something more respectable and conducive to learning and meeting.
But I’m beginning to suspect some people are using the word “administration” when they refer to the School Board and the Superintendant. Now, I have no idea how much the School Board members make. I thought it was next to nothing, considering they don’t even have their own offices and they meet in the “compound” in those ancient buildings. But then I heard the Super is getting something like a $14,000 raise. Now, I like our Super. I think he’s doing a great job and has to work 24/7 to keep things running smoothly. But $14,000.00 sounds over the top...unless he’s making a pittance right now. Anyone know how much the Super makes?
(apologies if this reaches you twice)
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Posted by ( phdee ) on April 08, 2008 at 5:01 pm
ZCX, here you go again withn more lies, or making statements totaally unsupported by any FACTS. A program saving so much on the budget? ESOL class savings? Why are the BOCS planning on raising taxes if the budget is OK? And why is the school system seeking more money is ESOL is saving so much? Where are the facts and sources of your info? Answer: you don’t have any - you just like to think that, and made it up.
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Posted by ( raywilliams ) on April 08, 2008 at 4:19 pm
As a Home Improvement business owner - with legal employees I have to add to keep the dogs looking for raw meat at bay - I would rephrase zcx’s comment to read “the homeowners are the biggest hirer of illegals”. Labor costs are simply a pass-through cost. When labor is up, your project cost is up. When labor rates are low, your project cost is lower. Labor to me is just like fuel for the fleet. I’ll pay the market price and pass it on to my customer. It is the CONSUMER that does not properly vet their contractor’s hiring practices or seeks a low-ball price that supports the illegal immigrant. Contractors simply provide the homeowner the service level they seek.
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Posted by ( Calisto ) on April 08, 2008 at 2:02 pm
Agreed, zcxnissan: The fuel prices effect everyone, but the only ones I hear complaining are the construction businesses that started hiring illegal labor all along and gotten rich of it.
Now proscecute them for doing so in another way by charging them the $1.00 tax hike. There just as guilty and if you can’t afford to hire legal workers, well, maybe, it’s time to get out of the business.
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Posted by ( zcxnissan ) on April 08, 2008 at 1:47 pm
Everybody feels the pinch of higher fuel costs, why cancel a program that is saving so much money on the budget. Notice it was the construction business owners that complained about the Resolution during the budget meeting. We all know the construction industry is the biggest hirer of illegals. With the decline of over 600 in ESOL that more than pays for the first year of the Resolution, that is simple fact, with more good news to come. Chris Cummings
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Posted by ( phdee ) on April 08, 2008 at 12:54 pm
zcx, all business feel the pinch of high fuel costs. The economy is floundering, foreclosures are climbing. The tax bills look like they will be rising. Now, folks are coming to their senses --- maybe the resolution isn’t such a good idea after all, they are thinking.
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Posted by ( zcxnissan ) on April 08, 2008 at 4:53 am
Funny how the construction businesses are bickering over fuel costs and cutting the immigration resolution is prime on their menu for where will they get cheap labor from if they are leaving the county. What a laugher. I say we should take care of the legal immigrants first, for they deserve all the benefits of being here legally. Illegals deserve the consequences of their actions. Chris Cummings
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