Supervisors question school salaries in budget

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By Cheryl Chumley

Published: April 10, 2008

The most important aspect of the Prince William school budget is to keep teacher salaries competitive with surrounding jurisdictions, the chairman of the board told supervisors at a Tuesday evening presentation.

"We need to remain competitive in salary and compensation," said Milt Johns, chairman at-large of the county School Board. "Almost 80 percent of our budget is dedicated to salary and benefits."

The latest version of the county schools' budget plan for fiscal 2009, which seems to be in a state of constant flux, Johns said, calls for $18.5 million for proposed 3 percent merit increases and another $19.6 million for separate 3 percent cost-of-living increases.

According to a pie chart shown to supervisors, salaries and compensation plans account for 77.8 percent of the school's budget—but there's "over 10,000 employees in the school system," Johns said, and over 80 percent of the total budget "is focused on instruction."

Still, supervisors didn't let pass unchallenged the School Board's characterization of teacher raises as a need.

Board member Michael May, R-Occoquan, asked for the actual teacher salaries for all nine school districts that Prince William uses for comparison purposes. Supervisor Wally Covington, R- Brentsville, questioned why Prince William administrative salaries seemed to rise at a much higher rate than teachers, according to research he said he conducted using state Department of Education statistics. Vice chairman John Stirrup, R-Gainesville, raised the need for the school to provide a more thorough report that compared full compensation packages, rather than just salaries. And Chairman Corey Stewart, R-at large, questioned the logic of comparing Prince William to certain other jurisdictions.

School officials have relied in large part on information gleaned from the annual Washington Area Boards of Education survey to support the need for boosted pay for teachers and employees. The surveys, conducted each year by a different WABE member, compare Alexandria, Arlington, Falls Church, Montgomery County, Fairfax County, Loudoun County, Prince George's County, Manassas City and Prince William.

"Why these jurisdictions?" Stewart asked Johns. "We are the southernmost jurisdiction of all of these and in many cases, the lowest-cost county [to live in]."

Stewart suggested a better comparison might include input from Fauquier, Stafford and Fredericksburg districts. In response, Johns pointed to the demographics and said in terms of certain measurements, like numbers related to English for Speakers of Other Languages classes, the other eight WABE jurisdictions were most similar.

Johns also addressed another concern brought forth by certain board members and community residents—that of administrative salaries.

Pointing to a report that tracks such expenses, Johns said Prince William has "consistently run below the national average" in terms of pay for administrators who serve in large school districts.

"In the latest from 2007, we are 44 percent of the national average," he said. "So I think the notion we are a bloated bureaucracy is probably a little bit overstated and I think that this graphic is fairly compelling."

For fiscal 2009, the school budget proposes more than $1.3 million in salary increases for the top 10 or so central office staff and administrators, according to the most recent figures.

The school's fiscal year plan is aimed at providing for an estimated 1,800 increase in student population to roughly 74,000. While the numbers of ESOL students have dropped by about 800—resulting in a reduction of teachers by about 40, Johns said, in answer to a question from Stirrup—the overall pupil population is still on the upswing, albeit at a slower rate.

In brief, the school's fiscal 2009 operating budget is set at about $824 million, with nearly $60 million figured for debt service. Just over $190 million is proposed for construction; almost $30 million for food service; and an estimated $57 million for health insurance.

The figures were current as of Tuesday at 7:30 p.m., Johns said, and are subject to change, as state and county fiscal pictures become clearer.

Staff writer Cheryl Chumley can be reached at 703-670-1907 or .

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Posted by ( phdee ) on April 11, 2008 at 4:53 pm

If these other counties in N. Va. pay higher teacher salaries, then why do they have openings (to which PWC teachers will allegedly flee)?

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Posted by ( pwanon ) on April 11, 2008 at 10:51 am

2 Step process to figure out how overpaid administrative personnel are:

1.  A couple weeks ago, this paper published a search engine by which you can plug in the name of any county employee and see their salary.
2.  Go to the pwcs website, and start sorting through the various positions of Independent Hill administrative personnel.  You’ll see how sickeningly overpaid most of them are. 

Interestingly enough, some of the highest paid personnel came with Dr. Walts from New York.  Real shocker there.

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Posted by ( kgotthardt ) on April 11, 2008 at 7:37 am

BTW, my apologies for actually calling Mr. Stewart a moron.  That was unnecessary.  I shouldn’t let my irritation get the best of me.

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Posted by ( kgotthardt ) on April 11, 2008 at 6:29 am

Anon, how can you give up department DIRECTORS like an HR Director?  Be reasonable.

As to IT people making six figures, in a school this size, that makes sense.  What do you think they would make out in the IT industry?  We need to stay competitive to give inventive for those folks to stay.

Now as to raises for higher admin, that I don’t know anything about.  It seems to me they might be able to afford a cut this year, so long as their base salary is reasonable.  But the same goes for BOCS members.  What’s good for the goose….

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Posted by ( kgotthardt ) on April 10, 2008 at 12:24 pm

pwanon, how do you know this?  Specifically, what positions are you talking about?

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Posted by ( pwanon ) on April 10, 2008 at 12:15 pm

There are so many people working at Independent Hill that are making salaries that double a teachers salary, yet have half the impact on kids that the teachers do.  The county doesn’t need the vast majority of them.  Salaries well into the six figures for communications directors, human resources directors, diversity education directors, etc…and the kids need these well paid folks for what exactly?  To spin all of Walt’s missteps in a positive light.  Please.  Cut the dead wood and get on with being competitive with the other counties, or watch all of the good teachers who are actually with the kids slide right across the line into Loudoun and Fairfax.

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Posted by ( kgotthardt ) on April 10, 2008 at 12:10 pm

“The PWCS Board Chairman needs to stop using high level data, which hides some of the true facts like:  there are teachers making 6 figure salaries”

If you find a teacher in PWC making six figures, you better let us know who it is and then let me know what school they are working for because I’d like to apply.

No more high level data, huh?  LOL.  Yeah, let’s be dumb-dumbs.  Seriously, high level data is fine if it comes with a down-to-earth explanation.  And I believe that’s what board meetings are for, no?  I also recall receiving a “down to earth” copy of the school budget in my kids’ back packs. 

Now…onto schools being built.  Look at the planning board and the funding. Do you think the school system would build schools if they have the money?  Hmmmm.  I think they would.

The admin building is also a necessity.  Many student and faculty functions are held on that compound, as well as board meetings.  Security is housed there.  HR is housed there.  You can’t keep these people in tiny trailers any more than you can keep the kids in trailers.  It all comes down to there isn’t enough money being given to do all of this at once, and the planning board has a lot to do with accepting or rejecting timelines for completion.

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Posted by ( kgotthardt ) on April 10, 2008 at 12:04 pm

“And Chairman Corey Stewart, R-at large, questioned the logic of comparing Prince William to certain other jurisdictions.“  Oh my GOD this man is a moron!  Compare PWC to more southern counties?  Oh yeah, that’s brilliant.  I’m sure we have a bunch of FARMS up here, right Corey?

Let me walk you through this, Mr. Stewart.  If you don’t pay your teachers enough, they will go right next door and work for a county that DOES.

Anyone know what BOCS members are making?  Let’s look at THEIR full compensation packages and the per-diems and their little trips.  Do you think these people are staying at Motel 8 when they travel?  Ms. Chumley, perhaps you can FOIA THAT!

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Posted by ( wwwnewsreader ) on April 10, 2008 at 11:45 am

Just amazing, the PWCS District has been able to afford a new $34M building and new cars for its administrative staff, while 7 more trailers are being planned for Brentsville High School – The total trailer count now goes to 21; while the principal asks parents to donate copy paper because of funding shortfalls.. Overcrowding is going to get worse.  Next we are going to here, construction of the new Kettle Run High School needs to be delayed again due to budget problems.. The PWCS Board Chairman needs to stop using high level data, which hides some of the true facts like:  there are teachers making 6 figure salaries and there are senior administrators making more money than Generals fighting the war in Iraq. They have a much tougher job and oversee much larger populations of personnel and equipment.  Wake-up, PWC is not Fairfax, Alexandria, Arlington, Falls Church, Montgomery County it doesn’t have the same tax base.  Maybe the school board members or the senior administrator’s who have just gotten those five figure bonuses this year wouldn’t mind paying my $1,200 property tax increase

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Posted by ( hacenedb ) on April 10, 2008 at 10:58 am

BOCS has a duty to put an end to PWCS unrealistic demands upon the taxpayers. They have to end their patronage vis-a-vis high paid administrators, supervisors, directors, and more unrelated school positions to fully concentrate on the basic mission of our schools that is to teach our kids and to provide the best and brightest teachers, and to respect them by paying the right salary. I cannot understand why is it that some of our administrators are paid more than those who are running our federal government! It is time to tighten the belt. We must be firm with our school officials. We should not allow them to continue to waste taxpayers money. Some of us are still convinced that the public schools should be under the management of the county executive. We cannot afford to bear the burden of this huge bureaucracy any longer. We must raise the bar for accountability and efficiency. Mention over staffing and you will have all the clique on your back.

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