Supervisors set tax rate at 97 cents
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By CHERYL K. CHUMLEY, Potomac News & Manassas Journal Messenger
Published: April 30, 2008
By a vote of 8-0 on Tuesday, Prince William supervisors approved a fiscal year tax rate of 97 cents per $100 of assessed value.
The motion, which was explained by Chairman Corey Stewart, R-at-large, following a lengthy board break about 9 p.m., carried with it a shift in illegal immigration enforcement policy.
"Every single person who is arrested will have their immigration status checked," he said, adding that "not ever person who is arrested is brought to jail. The officer would continue to have the discretion to check immigration status of any person who's detained."
Still, probable cause is not to be the standard for officers to use, Stewart continued.
"Because we are checking the status of every single person who is arrested as opposed to just those people who we have probable cause … I actually believe this may increase the number of people whose immigration status is checked," he said.
His comments and the board's subsequent 8-0 adoption of the modified immigration policy came after 10 p.m.—at the tail end of a meeting that started at 2 p.m. with an agenda of adopting a tax rate. More than 120 people spoke over six hours as a marathon citizens' time dominated the meeting at the McCoart Administrative Center.
It may have taken hours to reach consensus on a tax rate. But what was agreed on in quick time was the fate of Supervisor Frank Principi's, D-Woodbridge, proposed resolution rescinding portions of the county's immigration policy. That proposal—which was tied to his motion for the county to adopt a 97-cent tax rate—died with a 7-1 vote. But had it passed, the direction of county illegal immigration enforcement policy would have changed dramatically.
Current directive is that police "inquire into the citizenship or legal status of individuals [detained] in the course of their duties if there [is] probable cause," Principi's resolution read. The proposed change would have inserted this text instead: "Police officers are not to be mandated by the department's policies to inquire into immigration or citizenship status."
His plan called for immigration status checks at the jail, following arrest.
Interviewed during a break before the vote was taken, Principi agreed the policy shift was substantial, but said much of the citizen outcry against the supposed gist of his plan this past week—prior to the release of any actual written resolution—could be attributed to blog entries that wrongly characterized his intent.
"Surely this would be a substantial change in policy, but it would also strengthen the policy … at the [Adult Detention Center]," he said. And those who suggest his plan ignored the will of voters in October to allow police to check the immigration status of suspects are full of "hogwash," he continued, and purposely misconstruing his goals.
"That's put out by [Help Save Manassas president] Greg Letiecq and his blog as a means of discredit-ing me," Principi said.
Letiecq countered that point by reminding of the three separate voter-backed resolutions that had passed regarding the illegal immigration policy—one to adopt the policy, another to endorse its implementation and still another to provide mid-year funding.
"How anyone could consider that gutting the rule of law resolution doesn't fly in the face of a clear conviction of voters is beyond me," he said.
Before considering Principi's resolution and accompanying rate, supervisors Tuesday also debated a rate of 98.7 cents brought forth by Stewart and seconded by Vice Chair John Stirrup, R-Gainesville. The rate allowed for the re-insertion of the $3.1-plus million police vehicle camera program back into the budget—and gave rise to a 180-degree switch in policy support from Stewart.
"I have voted against every tax increase … since I was elected," Stewart said. "I think this [ille-gal immigration] resolution is vitally important. It's making a difference … and we need to do it right. We cannot leave our officers exposed [to legal liability]. I think cameras would be a good thing."
For weeks, Stewart has discounted the importance of the county funding cameras in this year's budget, push-ing instead for the board to seek outside sources of grant dollars. He has also supported passage of a flat tax, or as close to 95 cents as possible.
However, after explaining the discussions he has held with various police groups and officials, he said on Tuesday, "I will support 98.7 cents if it funds cameras and [the six] additional officers."
The 98.7 cents also gave the schools an additional $5 million of funding to "spend however they wish," Stewart explained.
If supervisors did not agree to fund the camera program, however, Stewart stipulated he would not go along with that tax hike, which translates into an estimated 31 percent increase in bills to commercial and 6.9 percent rise in bills on residential.
Stirrup seconded, but only supervisors Maureen Caddigan, R-Dumfries, and Wally Covington, R-Brentsville, voted in favor; a tie vote results in the failure of the motion.
Staff writer Cheryl Chumley can be reached at 703-670-1907.
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Posted by ( zcxnissan ) on May 05, 2008 at 4:08 pm
Funding is already there. Show me this 6-10 million funding loss first. LOL. I don’t drink coffee by the way. We don’t have to seal the border as long as the current laws are enforced. Even though it is clear in certain areas that Federal Law is being broken by “Sanctuary rules”. Just look up Federal Law regarding Illegal Immigration as well as Legal Immigration. As i have said before i have absolutely nothing against Legal Immigration. People would self deport if the laws were enforced properly. Chris Cummings
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Posted by ( raywilliams ) on May 05, 2008 at 2:33 pm
And Chris, my response to you is Show Me The Funding. If you can fund these programs, then great. If Corey can seal the border, then great. If you are not willing to compromise at some point, then okay, that’s your choice. I stand by my belief that we are not going to ship 30,000 out of PWC and when the economy comes back, the people will come back and the problems start all over again with $6-$10 million wasted in the process. Let’s ride it out a year and see what happens. Immigrants don’t affect me if they’re here or not. Either I buy you a cup of coffee or you owe me one. Mark the date, May 5, 2009.
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Posted by ( zcxnissan ) on May 03, 2008 at 2:10 am
Ray as i have said before Amnesty has been offered twice and has failed twice, and only encouraged more illegals to flood into the country. Your idea should also require the back taxes to be paid that these illegals owe as well. Best solution would be to put up fence, increase border security both virtual and otherwise, crackdown on employers who hire illegals, deport illegals working with stolen identities and fraudulent id’s and of course those committing crimes other than the crime of being illegal. Fine the employers and shutdown their businesses as well. Their is no compromise on this. It has been estimated that their are around 30-50000 illegals in PWC by outside sources. Sorry Ray i don’t do drugs like a criminal. Cutesy response? You must be high. Chris Cummings
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Posted by ( raywilliams ) on May 02, 2008 at 10:01 am
Chris, I have said time and time again to provide a documentation process for illegals who are here so we know who they are and where they live. Get fingerprints and a DNA sample as a part of this process. THEN issue a Documented Illegal Immigrant card they can use for gainful employment where they can be taxed to contribute to the system. I also support an additional payroll tax of say 5% as an Illegal Tax to offset the cost of services we provide. Would businesses support this? Yes, because it costs them no money. Does this get any support from HSM? No, only the ongoing tired demand they “all be sent home”. Well, you keep smoking the funny stuff if you think 12 million illegals are going to be put on a first class flight back south of the border. As noted, even Corey Stewart does not know how many illegals are in PWC and therefore does not know the possible savings potential, BUT we know what it is going to cost to make a stab at it. Whether we’ve chased 10% at this point out or 75% no one has a clue. As I’ve said before, since you’re not part of the solution, YOU are part of the problem. The proof will be in the pudding and for that we’ll all have to wait and see. Now take another hit on your bong and write a cutesy response.
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Posted by ( zcxnissan ) on May 01, 2008 at 11:15 pm
Sorry Ray at any cost hiring illegal aliens is wrong, it is discrimination of the worst kind. Apparently according to multiple sources classes are down in size as well as ESOL down 759 since the end of September. Around the time of the passage of the Resolution. Companies would gladly pay the extra costs? Of course this means stick the healthcare and social costs to the legal American worker who can’t afford health insurance and can’t get on health or social services rolls because someone who is illegal shouldn’t be there. Real nice Ray. I know your game and i despise it. It is serious business when you mess with people like that. Chris Cummings
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Posted by ( zcxnissan ) on May 01, 2008 at 3:01 pm
Taxes were going to be hiked with or without the Resolution sparky. More expensive services require more expenses to be made. It was a great idea to use the rainy day fund to go after illegals. Gov. Kaine was going to squander the rainy day fund on pet projects and non enforcement of “Immigration law” so what’s the big deal? Chris Cummings
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Posted by ( raywilliams ) on May 01, 2008 at 1:36 pm
I asked Corey Stewart’s office if they had a guesstimate number of illegals in PWC and the cost to support those illegals. His office responded that no, they have never conducted an offical study and any guesstimate would be challenged nine ways from Sunday. What this means is that ALL the numbers we debate are open to question and no one really knows what the impact will be of the Resolution. We see talk of 6 million saved already on ESOL yet no teachers have been laid off, no class rooms rented out or other cost reductions. We also don’t know if those students were legal or illegal, since we are not allowed to ask. So how we saved 6 mill I don’t know. We also don’t know what will happen when the housing market comes back and the construction jobs return. Yes, there is a decline in immigrants now, legal and illegal - I can’t tell them apart by looking at them - but no one knows when they will return, legal or illegal. I’ll support funding for one year, and then if savings aren’t realized, I say drop the Resolution program.
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Posted by ( raywilliams ) on May 01, 2008 at 1:24 pm
Chris, I can assure you I would NEVER pick up a 7-11 worker to work on my home in any capacity! If I have my house painted, I want a professional painter to do the work. Perhaps my standards are a little high. PWCMom, all my people are documented so I can’t answer your questions directly, I just know from talking to friends they pay full rate when hiring undocumented workers as they want good people. Sure there are savings in assorted payroll costs, but that is not the reason they hire them. During the construction boom, American workers were simply not available at any cost. I have said before there are black market workers (day laborers) gray market workers (some form of ID that allows them to be employed) and of course, real documented workers. Companies looking for good workers would gladly pay the extra costs to employ good people. Many gray market workers have taxes withheld, pay into SS but are not documented enough to file a return. While small companies can beat the system, big corporate companies like Low*Prices or Fast Food must have acceptable documents to hire someone. This does not mean the documents are real, just passable enough to get hired.
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Posted by ( k.o. ) on May 01, 2008 at 6:56 am
FYI to Kgotthardt:
1) Not only did Covington and Caddigan vote for the cameras, but Stewart and Stirrup did as well. So I’m sure you will correct your 6:26am statement.
2). You and your anti’s have your own automated email system that allows ANYONE to use whether from the area or not, so your comment about Mr. Letiecq is bogus.
3). You really believe all the mass of older citizens (including a few from retirement homes) that spoke are connected with Mr. Letiecq? Get real! Open your eyes and recognize the average citizen wants the police to enforce illegal immigration and not everyone who is in favor is a follower of Greg. You obviously have a fixation.
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Posted by ( zcxnissan ) on May 01, 2008 at 1:35 am
Principi will only succeed in being booted out of office come next election time, as for his proposal it got sacked. Mr. Stewart is standing firm on the Resolution, good job. Hey Ray anyone who hires illegals needs to be fined heavily and put out of business. Are you sure you aren’t Gary Jacobsen? Chris Cummings
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