Barack Obama compared to Carter
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Tim Singstock
Published: May 19, 2008
Barrack Obama has been compared to JFK for his youthfulness, soaring rhetoric and vision. However, I think a more apt comparison would be Jimmy Carter.
By suggesting that he would strike targets in Pakistan with or without the consent of Pervez Musharraf, he threatened to undermine a friendly regime in an unfriendly country. This smacks of Jimmy
Carter’s alienation of the Shah in the late 70’s. Does anybody think Iran is better off now?
Barrack Obama also suggests talking to our nation’s enemies including North Korea and Iran. Just recently, Jimmy Carter had the nerve to sit down and talk with the leaders of Hamas.
In so doing, he lent credence to a terrorist organization elected by the Palestinian people with indirect ties to Iran’s ruling elite. Jimmy Carter was arguably one of the worst presidents of the 20th century.
While all of us would like to see another JFK, I don’t think any of us can risk another Jimmy Carter.
TIM SINGSTOCK
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Posted by ( RonCharest ) on May 23, 2008 at 7:55 pm
Barnun,
Yes, many Democrats did vote for the iraq war - I’m not afraid of facing facts even when I don’t like them. Fewer Democrats voted yes than Republicans, and the Republicans (who did control the House, controlled the White House, and were effectively tied in the Senate with Democrats controlling) drove the issue.
No conspiracy theory at all; if you follow the news, some of the more “honest” military advisers have already admitted they were being paid and otherwise encouraged to report specific stories that the Pentagon/White House wanted promoted during the run-up to Iraq and for the years following. No one has been prosecuted yet because the news just broke several weeks ago. Reid is planning hearings, and yesterday the DOJ has announced their own investigations.
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Posted by ( barnun ) on May 23, 2008 at 2:23 pm
Ron ? “We now also know that key reporters and supposedly independent military analysts were bought and paid for…“ is a conspiracy theory. Who has been prosecuted for this ? did we cherry pick 13 broken UN resolutions ? did we cherry pick the fact the sadaam used chemical weapons ( WMD’s) against his own people ? And thanks for the stats showing us ALL that the MAJORITY of the democrats took us to war. the concern now is getting out. I will agree with you on that. Obama may promise you to get out but he also cannot let that turn into a palestine type of issue and he cant just pull out and then say “well it was just bush’s fault for being there in the first place”. Whoever gets elected takes Full responsibility for Iraq. That is the job they are fighting so hard for. And Ray, yes, no matter how many Years the next president in office no matter who it is, we will still have boots on the ground when they leave. Hopefully though it will just be a base like Germany.
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Posted by ( raywilliams ) on May 22, 2008 at 4:47 pm
barnun, no question - despite our best hopes and dreams - we are closer to McCain’s 100 year plan than to Obama’s 1 year plan. Five years minimum to draw troops down and even that is perhaps a pipe dream. I assume you meant when Barack left after a 4 year term, but alas, even an 8 year term would not change the results. We’re here for the long haul.
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Posted by ( RonCharest ) on May 22, 2008 at 12:14 pm
Barnun, Barnun, Barnun,
While you are correct that many Democrats initially supported the Iraq War Resolution (see, twice in two days the nether regions has had freezing weather), you are way off base claiming Democrats are as much at fault as Republicans.
On the Iraqi war resolution, passed October 11, 2002, the vote tally broke down as:
In the House:
Democrats Opposing: 126
Democrats Supporting: 81
Republicans Opposing: 6
Republicans Supporting: 209
Final Tally: 296 Yay, 133 Nay
In the Senate:
Democrats Opposing: 21
Democrats Supporting: 29
Independents Opposing: 1
Independents Supporting: 0
Republicans Opposing: 1
Republicans Supporting: 48
Final Tally: 77 Yay, 23 Nay
Also note that approving the war authorization was after months of intense pressure by the Bush Administration and Key Republican leaders using “Intelligence Information” that we now know was false, cherry picked, and just plain made up as justification (some of us knew then it was lies, but were loudly ridiculed for saying so). It was Democratic resistance that forced Bush to water down his earlier open-ended war resolution to one more limiting - which didn’t matter anyway as he completely ignored the restrictions.
We now also know that key reporters and supposedly independent military analysts were bought and paid for by the Bush Administration to float media coverage favoring the war - in violation of federal laws (Illegal is Illegal).
Voting to approve the war cost Sen. Clinton the Democratic nomination, while Sen. McCain’s “100 years in Iraq” was loudly cheered by Republicans and considered a boost towards McCain winning the Republican nomination.
As for choosing to support one’s political party over doing what is right for our military; as a veteran I find that concept repugnant. The fact that loyalty to a political party (in this case Republican) takes precedence over loyalty to our country says it all about Republicans. Yes, I’d say the same about Democrats if they did this, but it’s not happening.
No dice Barnun. The Republican Party owns the Iraq war and the damage it’s done to our country and our military.
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Posted by ( barnun ) on May 21, 2008 at 9:21 pm
ray, ray, ray. It is unfair to tag the entire republican party as war mongers. So many of the democrats were on board in the beginning as well. It was easy for them to bail later since the president was not of their party. I dont want our guys there either but I also know that an inproper withdrawl could be a very bad bad thing. Now Barak would have you believe he’ll bring our boys home in short order. He’d like us to beleive that the middle east will stabilize just cause he said so. we’ve seen what palestine has been like forever. do you want the rest of the middle east to be the same ? IF obama gets elected, there will be still be troops in Iraq when he leaves office. It’s scary to think that you want for, hope for, vote for a Jr senator with no experience to take over the middle east conflict. you guys love to talk about how bush has failed at this. dont you think he’s already had all of our best generals on the job ? so, is your Jr senator going to promote a couple of privates to general and git er done ? All those fuzzy feel good speeches are nice but c’mon. splash alittle water on our face and snap out of it. In this thought, i am not defending bush or promoting McCain or even Hillary. I’m just saying be real careful what you wish for.
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Posted by ( raywilliams ) on May 21, 2008 at 5:44 pm
Sigh, RonCharest. The only problem is there are no maps on how to get from the USA to Iraq, and apparently from Iraq to the USA. That is why we fight them there so we don’t have to fight them here. If there were maps, they could simply get directions and come here without waiting to follow our troops home. I guess we’ll just have to wait until a product called Google is invented to have any hope that the war mongers and hate mongers will head that way where a democratic government installed by their President Bush awaits their arrival.
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Posted by ( barnun ) on May 20, 2008 at 9:18 pm
I will say that Carter was a beleiver in alternative energy. The american people ONLY started to buy into this due to extremely high gas prices. Bush has also pushed for alternative fuels and has offered incentives to the people to get involved. The huge energy package that he passed has incentives for window upgrades, insulation, solar panels, corn stoves etc. The only way to break the addiction to oil is to drive the price so high that people will open their eyes, discuss parking their hummer, consider buying a solar panel and add some insulation to their attic. Carter was big on wind energy and i like him for that. see, everyone has at least one good thing about them.
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Posted by ( barnun ) on May 20, 2008 at 9:11 pm
it’s funny, have to repeat this over and over. those on the left are so blinded with hate that they fail to see that bush has offered their side more than their past president did. He offered a deal for gay marriage - civil union. he has sent more humanitarian aid to foreign countries than all past presidents combined. he offered a plan to revise social security, developed under the clinton administration but not acted upon. He offered a comprehensive imigration reform package. he did pass the no child left behind act, which is seriously flawed but what government plan isn’t flawed in it’s first go round. You hate war. most people do actually whether they support bush or not. either all of the world intelligence was flawed or we just never found what we were looking for. we cant find obama ( clinton let him go ) but then we cant find hundreds of people on the fbi most wanted list right here in our country. Congress, both sides, had information that you and I do not get to see and they all combined voted to remove sadaam. The UN should have already done so long before.
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Posted by ( RonCharest ) on May 20, 2008 at 6:25 pm
I think so RayWilliams!
What I really hope for is that after the November elections, with Obama in the White House, a larger majority in the house and veto-proof majority in the Senate, the Hate-mongers get so mad they all decide to leave the US.
There is a place that they should consider heaven on earth and flock to by the droves - Iraq.
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Posted by ( raywilliams ) on May 20, 2008 at 3:45 pm
Well by golly RonCharest, at least we finally got them to stop talking about Bill Clinton. First we’ve cleared out the illegals and with President Obama, we’ll clear out the hate-mongers.
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