Barack Obama is the real thing
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David Stanley
Published: May 11, 2008
The more the media attacks Barack Obama while giving a pass to Hillary “NAFTA” Clinton and John “100 Years” McCain, the more convinced I become that Obama is the real thing. And portraying
Obama supporters as hysterical whiners, as Eric Allie’s cartoon of May 2 did, is just laughable.
However boring it might be to read hundreds of editorials about Rev. Wright between now and November 3, it must be even more boring to write them.
DAVID STANLEY
Manassas
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Posted by ( jVA ) on May 15, 2008 at 3:51 pm
“jVa, I would Fully agree with you on your “comprimise”. Your party would NEVER agree to that.”
You might be right, but I kind of doubt the GOP would agree to real sex ed and the morning after pill either. Just a hunch.
This does give credence to Chris Cummings’ call below that we need a viable third party. I completely agree. While we’re all busy complaining that Dems and Republicans are extremists of one sort or the other, I suspect that most Americans actually sit firmly in the middle on most matters and are a lot more realistic and reasonable than our elected officials.
Lastly, I understand what you’re trying to say about Iraq, but really I just feel that this was an entirely unnecessary war and a huge waste. Its been pretty well documented that this crew wanted to deal with Iraq for various reasons. I don’t think you can claim it was congress pushing them to go to war. It was clear when Powell made his underwhelming case to the UN that there wasn’t any strong intelligence supporting preemptive war.
Posted by ( zcxnissan ) on May 15, 2008 at 3:35 pm
I like Mark Warner at least he could bring both sides together. Foreclosures always go up in a housing downturn. As for the economy it may or may not go into Recession. Economists still say it isn’t in Recession yet. Yet all the candidates want to raise taxes, will that help a sinking economy, doubtfull, it will sink further. Kerry is no war hero, he wrote his own awards and gave himself medals for it, including one that doesn’t exist. As long as Al Qaeda exists it will be an endless war. Most of those Foxnews patriots are actual combat and war heroes. Oliver North and John McCain come to mind. What did Kerry do that was heroic other than shoot himself? Tom Davis is a fake Republican much like McCain. Take your pick Obama or McCain both will raise taxes, and screw us on illegal immigration. Maybe they should be Pres, and VP, a true mixed Cabinet. A lot of people joined the National Guard, well except for Clinton of course. Explains his non action on Al Qaeda when they attacked US interests in the 90’s. Carter is still the worst President, double digit inflation, double digit interest rates, gasoline prices went up 300% under Carter, stagflation, near double digit unemployment. A far cry from today. Plus troubles in the Mideast as usual. At least this time around Al Qaeda is hurting instead of continuing its terrorist actions. It has been almost 7 years since any attack on US soil. I agree with you on abortion though JVA. Term limits and impeachment are the best solution to any President popular or unpopular. How was the friendly fire death of Tillman turned into propaganda? Actually the last time the Democrats tabled the measure to get out of Iraq, fancy that. It had support. There is no need to start the draft although we should have started out with more troops as proven by the positive results of the “Surge”. The President should of listened to Colin Powell when he said we should have started with 250000 soldiers there instead of the 150000 or so we used. It is very rare for either party to have a veto proof majority in the Senate. Next election only seems to indicate a pickup of 5 seats in the Senate, 4 short of a veto proof margin. Numbers? Who needs numbers when it looks like the Iraq War is winding down anyway. We have already taken forces out of Iraq and put them in Afghanistan, even though Osama is most likely in Pakistan. Oh well we should be using the Taliban as a punching bag at any opportunity. Chris Cummings
Posted by ( barnun ) on May 15, 2008 at 3:21 pm
jVa, I would Fully agree with you on your “comprimise”. Your party would NEVER agree to that. Ever. And you are correct that they do not speak of social cleansing but check the stats on abortions. does any one group stand out in the stats ? The rich, the poor, the asians ... who is it ? if so, that group is the one that is kept in reduced numbers. Now, you followed thru with full blame on Bush and again overlooked congress as a body. No one president ever has the kind of control that you credit Bush with. You seem to beleive that congress as a body has had nothing to do with Iraq. You ignore the facts that Democrat congressman sit on committee’s and that half the Generals involved in the discussions were also Democrats. Is it even remotely possible that there is/was information that we the people do not have access to ? Have we forgotten that Saddam should have been removed by the UN 13 times ? Have we forgotten that we did wait 7 months with full warnings and all Saddam had to do was comply ? That was 7 months that congress continually reveiwed the situation over and over. Again hindsight is easy and I seem to still be missing my crystal ball to read the future. Weave through the media snippets. like the writer of this artilce states “100 yrs McCain” We all know that is taken completely out of context trying to build up Obama. In all fairness, they all do it.
Posted by ( jVA ) on May 15, 2008 at 2:26 pm
“I do realize that some people need to blame and live with blinded hate. “
What does this even mean? I don’t feel the need to blame anybody or live with blinded hate - whatever that means. Your psychobabble is totally pointless.
Maybe I disagree with what I see as a freaking stupid foreign policy. Maybe I disagree that our President either completely didn’t understand the facts or blatantly lied to take us into a pre-emptive war. Maybe I disagree that he took us to war with far too few troops and no exit plan. Wasn’t that THE lesson of Vietnam? Don’t go to war without an exit strategy?
Maybe I disagree that we’re racking up billions of dollars in debt on this war, sinking our economy and passing the cost on to our children. And if this war is so incredibly important and justified, maybe I disagree that we haven’t started the draft up again and continue to put the burden and hardship on a small number of Americans in our military while the rest of us get to walk around each day barely acknowledging that we’re a country at war.
I don’t need to be “blinded by hate” or whatever to recognize what a huge epic mess this country is in.
Oh and your point that Dems have been in charge of congress for nearly two years now and we’re still in Iraq is so incredibly lame its embarrassing. You know full well that Bush has veto’d every attempt for the Dems to maneuver towards getting out of Iraq. The Dems do not have a veto proof majority. End of story.
No worries though. We’ll have the numbers we need come November.
Posted by ( barnun ) on May 15, 2008 at 1:50 pm
I realize you guys dont like the war. I’m not saying I do but this does not in any way retro actively make clinton a good president. He did a few things that were ok and many things that weren’t. Nafta and the china trade agreements do not weigh in favor to me. Reducing our military and their financial support does not weigh in favor to me. Bush got ragged for our men not being properly equipped. Why weren’t they already properly equipped when he came into office ? Why wasn’t Clinton already on heavy offense after terrorists ? I really dont care about Monica, I think that is one of the few things I Liked about Bill, after all, we’ve all seen and heard Hellary. I liked Ross Perot. There was a man that promised change that I actually beleive he would have followed thru on. Why ? because he was NOT a politician. I think Bush would have been a uniter had it not been for the war. He offerred policies that favored a lot democratic veiws. As far as Iraq goes ... People thought we shouldn’t get involved in WWII that same as they think we should stay out of the middle east. many people did not want us involved in Korea. 20 yrs from now the history books may say that GWB was a terrible president and or they may say differently. I dont have the crystal ball so I cant say. I can say that many Democrats in congress sit on many committees and there are many Generals that are Democrats and yet we still went to Iraq. Congress has been controlled by democrats for awhile now and we’re still in Iraq. Did we have soldiers in the middle east before Reagan came into office ? Under a democrat ? Presidents have been trying to avoid direct involvement in the middle east for a long long time. I do realize that some people need to blame and live with blinded hate.
Posted by ( raywilliams ) on May 15, 2008 at 11:12 am
If the womanizer produced a healthy economy, a balanced budget and the respect of America across the globe, I say get him 4 more women and 4 more years. Kind of hard to take the high moral ground when you invade other countries, kill their elected leaders, torture enemies, turn Pat Tillman and Jessica Lynch into political propaganda, and declare Mission Accomplished before the invasion really got started and then kick the can down the road for four years to let the next guy deal with it. Ooooooo Clinton was so bad ... yea, right. But in fairness, Bush did give up golf during the invasion years, and I guess no longer drinks like a fish.
Posted by ( jVA ) on May 15, 2008 at 11:08 am
I don’t know if you’re right, barnun, but charisma isn’t what allowed Clinton to beat Bush I. A terrible economy and Ross Perot did that.
I don’t dispute that Clinton was a cool womanizer or whatever. But he’s also incredibly intelligent and a great communicator. You might not like him personally or disagree with his politics, but the guy was a talented politician and a fairly successful president.
My question to you is if Dems just vote charisma, what excuse to Reps have for voting Bush in a second time after it was pretty clear the guy was NOT very smart and was not going to be the uniter he’d promised to be?
Posted by ( barnun ) on May 15, 2008 at 10:36 am
jVa, I dont listen to limbaugh. I do think Soros pulls string with our politicians just as Exxon and GM do, except the soros is a socialist and he only pulls liberal strings. The Democrats generally vote on Charisma vs hard issue. That’s how we ended up with a womanizer president. he was cool, talked smooth ( like Barak), wore his dark sunglasses, confessed to smoking pot ( again Obama ), played his Sax and drove the ladies crazy. This year I’d like to have the option of “no vote” on the ballot. If “no vote” wins, we eliminate who ever is on the ballot and start over. Why do we get forced to choose between to unfavored choices. If there was a straight up popular vote only, National election between Obama, hellary, Lieberman, McCain, Romney, and Rice, I dont think the winner would be one of the current Hopefuls.
Posted by ( jVA ) on May 15, 2008 at 10:25 am
“the dems promote abortion as a method of social cleansing”
Good grief, barnun. How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you write stuff like this. This is ridiculous and offensive. If any democrat promoted any such thing, they would be run out of the party in a day.
I’m a democrat who would like to see an end to abortion. If we could agree to allow real, meaningful sex education in school to include promoting both abstinence and birth control, AND allowing the morning after pill, I would definitely support ending abortion as we know it in this country.
We call that a “compromise”.
Posted by ( jVA ) on May 15, 2008 at 10:17 am
btw Did you read Tom Davis in the Post today?
“Members and pundits, waiting for Democrats to fumble the ball so that soft Republicans and Independents will snap back to the GOP, fail to understand the deep seeded antipathy toward the President, the war, gas prices, the economy, foreclosures and, in some areas, the underlying cultural differences that continue to brand our party.”
Davis gets it.