Expanding the debate about illegal immigration

Posted by ( Archer ) on June 03, 2008 at 2:34 pm

Gregg, What hate are you speaking about. What racism? There are invaders in our country. What other laws do you choose not to abide by? If I break into your house and live in your basement I suppose that’s ok with you but if you try to break into my house all you will see is the flash before the bullet puts your lights out forever. That’s not hate, that’s racism, that’s protecting my property from someone that breaks the law. The country belongs to the American Citizens and needs to be protected as if it were our home because when you get right down to it that’s what it is.

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Posted by ( raywilliams ) on June 03, 2008 at 9:56 am

In response to MikeG, I’ll toss my Documented Illegal Immigrant plan out here once more. MikeG nails the problem and touches on the solution. One, until the border is secure, anything else we do is like sticking a finger in a leaking dike. Two, we’re not going to deport 12-20 million illegals all at once. Three, the ‘hate’ issue is getting a little tired. My plan, again, recommends issuing a Documented Illegal Immigrant card so THOSE WILLING to start the legal progress can take a first step. This Card would come with security checks, allow for legal drivers license and the deduction of PAYROLL TAXES, without our available social benefits. This provides us some breathing room until the Feds get their act together. I also make the allowance for an additional payroll withholding ‘illegal immigrant tax’ to further offset the costs of social burdens. This would be a time-restricted card, say two years, which is time for them to become legal or pack for home. If you are illegal, and caught without this card, then off to the poky and a plane ticket awaits. No where is intended to be amnesty, just to provide breathing room for the system.
If you don’t like this idea, okay. Then come up with something else that CAN be implemented with current funding and is more than the same old Chris Cummings talk of “buy all 12-20 million illegals a first class plane ticket home and place no-trespassing signs on the border as our border security” plan. If you have an idea for problem solving, then it must include funding as well. No funding, no plan, and please, reduce the mud slinging.

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Posted by ( Manassas ) on June 02, 2008 at 7:19 pm

phdee- I have not read anything you have posted that is not hate filled and you have the gall to call others “local hatemongers” SHAME on you.

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Posted by ( MikeG ) on June 02, 2008 at 4:38 pm

Let’s see what we have here.  We’ve got Nativist hatemongers; we’ve got Resolutionist hatemongers; we’ve got Rule of Law hatemongers; we’ve got America for Americans and their invited guests hatemongers; we’ve got People Against Flagrant Disregard of County and City Ordinances (the wall) hatemongers; we’ve got Regular People Just Trying to Hold on to their homes in the Current Mortgage Crisis hatemongers; we’ve got folks just fed up with the decline in neighborhood standards of cleanliness, health, and safety because of a Flagrant Disregard for County and City Ordinances (see previous hatemonger group) hatemongers; we’ve got people who object to being labeled as a hatemonger just because they are concerned about the decline in standards of living, public health, safety, that they believe is—at least in part—being caused by an influx of illegal immigrants hatemongers; we’ve got hatemonger hatemongers who just hate because it’s what they want to do.  That latter group I made up, just for fun.

Every time apologists, historical revisionists, excusists, or whatever other -ists pop up out there during this debate; every time these people cry that there is no way out of this situation but to merely EXCUSE and give a FREE PASS to—not twelve million—closer to 20 million ILLEGAL aliens, it makes me sick to my stomach.  The “Reagan” solution; that worked out great, didn’t it?  For the illegal aliens at that time, and certainly for the 20 million who have flooded into our country since, you betcha! 

There is no argument you or any of your friends can make, Reynolds, that will convince the majority of people in this country, and indeed in this state, that the resolution is not right; that it is not working; and that it deserves emulation in other regions and locales throughout this country.  If the federal government cannot do what it is supposed to do to control our borders, then it is up to the states to do what they can to protect the citizens of their state,  Nothing could be simpler.

Your arguments trying to lay the blame for the foreclosure rate and all the overgrown lawns at the feet of (see paragraph one; you choose which group of hatemongers you want to blame) is nothing short of spurious, Reynolds.  Was it the (enter hatemonger group)‘s decision to give sub-prime mortgages based on 1) lack of documentation; 2) insufficient income; 3) insufficient residency requirements; 4) insufficient assets; and so forth?  Is it the (you choose)‘s fault that people who live in non-compliance of the law must feel the need to hide in plain sight, knowing they must not get caught because the ICE folks are watching?

Sure, let’s try to find a solution to this problem that perhaps—perhaps!—leads to legal status and citizenship for these people.  But the first step must be taken by them, not us.  Stop the flow of these illegal aliens across our borders – both North and South.  Then let’s talk.  We didn’t break any laws in their coming here; we didn’t burden our government and schools, and social and medical systems by their coming here.  To say that we—the majority of this state, just regular folks, not hatemongers, not KKK members, not even members of HSM—are bad because we want a sense that our laws, our towns, and our neighborhoods are not going to be ravaged by the problem of illegal immigration, is ridiculous.  As one poster has already noted, such labeling is consistent with liberalism in its modern day form, and acts merely to strengthen the resolve of those who believe that this country owes illegal immigrants nothing!  No free pass; no free lunch; no more “Reagan” solutions!

And Phdee, just so you don’t think I’ve forgotten about you….you’re as irrelevant as ever, I see.

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Posted by ( do the right thing ) on June 02, 2008 at 3:53 pm

PHDEE:

  Keep talking,the more you talk the better candidate you become for evaluation.

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