Global warming: Another big, fat lie

Posted by ( barnun ) on May 24, 2008 at 12:10 pm

Ron, thanks for quoting me making my point that i dont paint gore as the face of your party. My concerns are as strong as yours but i guess from a different veiw. energy conservation is a bigger cure than anything else. alternative fuels are alternative sources for global warming. Ethanol does more harm than good. reducing our effect on warming needs to be reducing our consumption all together. wind and solar have NO negative by product. Everything else does. I stated elsewhere that cows are a major factor. we cant be vegitarian if we burn our crops. How do you stop the cows ? at the same time, there is an important lesson here. cows eat grass and produce milk and methane within 12 hrs and do it far more efficiently than ethanol production. The by product is fertilizer. Nature has given us a model to replicate.

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Posted by ( barnun ) on May 23, 2008 at 6:32 pm

Ron, I was just starting to think you were semi sensible. i did not scream about Gore. I dont want to live in a hurrican zone.
Guess what. hurricanes have been around for long long time. i didn’t paint gore as the voice of the democratic party either. I’ve disagreed with Gore for who he is, a nut. Much of his movie has been disputed and argued that it should have been dubbed fiction based on some amount of fact.

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Posted by ( barnun ) on May 22, 2008 at 6:40 pm

I dont argue against scientific theory, I have pointed out that the opinions vary and contradict each other. I personally do not care why people choose to conserve energy. I think you’d get a far greater draw through their wallet. My “anger” if I have any, is with Gore Because has politically charged this issue and that is why and how things get stalemated in washington and in our country. go to a busy street corner anywhere, do not state your political views and throw 100 1 dollar bills into their air. I bet you get an equal amount of democrats and republicans catching the dollars as they fall.

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Posted by ( barnun ) on May 22, 2008 at 11:50 am

“my side” is real energy conservation and the truth. I dont care about one party or the other. gore is not a party, he’s a lunatic that has falsified information and is hypocritically leading people in the wrong directions. There is much debate in scientific communities about cause and affect. I strongly point out the cows because we know they are a Major cause yet people have quit talking about that aspect of the problem. You can cherry pick a pet cause but that will not resolve the issue. I’ve stated throughout these forums that I am a big fan of energy conservation in a multitude of ways. The new electric cars are awesome. Solar and Wind energy are both an unlimited source of clean energy. People worry about R factor in their houses yet new home constrution uses windows that are hardly better than saran wrap. Cars sold in the UK get 2 to 3 times better mpg than cars sold in the US. If we focused on intelligent use of energy, we’d be better off in SO many ways and the natural by product of this would be a reduction in the contribution to man made affects on global warming. I think Both political parties are equally as guilty for our current use of energy. The model T ford got 25 mpg and originally used ethanol. Tankless hot water heaters have been around since atleast the ‘60’s although not well known in the US. Windmills have been in use in the US for over 100 yrs but ignored as a staple energy product for the masses. Solar heaters were in use in the US as a source of home heat in the late 1800’s but then pushed out by the gas companies. I agree with your concerns Jva and Ron, but I guess from a different point of veiw.

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Posted by ( RonCharest ) on May 21, 2008 at 9:32 pm

jVA,

I wrote that I wasn’t going to post on this topic again, but to paraphrase Barnun; I Lied.  I had to comment on your statement “You guys show your true colors by discussing the issue in terms of Al Gore or Obama or McCain or whomever.  You don’t care about facts.  You care about your “side” being “right”.”

That is exactly what this burning political issue that should be a simple matter of following science where it leads is all about. Conservatives hate Liberals to the point that they just know anything any Liberal (ex: Al Gore) says is wrong, and anything any Conservative says is automatically correct. 

30 years ago, Ronald Reagan said trees cause pollution. Therefore, in the Conservative World View, trees cause pollution and anyone who states different is not only wrong; they are a flag-burning, pot-smoking, tree-hugging, dolphin-loving, kum-ba-ya dirty-long-haired hippie-type communist islamofacist liberal who hates America so much they refuses to see the simple truth of the fact that trees do in fact cause pollution.

And nearly thirty years later, with the polar ice cap receding to nearly nothing in the summer, glaciers rapidly melting back past where they were 12,000 years ago, sea temperatures so high that 10,000 year-old coral reefs are suddenly dying from warm waters, abnormal weather patterns all over the world becoming more abnormal every year, when even the USDA now publishes charts showing that growing areas for plants have moved north by two planting zones over the past ten years, it doesn’t matter.

30 years ago, Ronald Reagen said trees cause pollution, so therefore all the mountains of accumulated evidence showing the earth is rapidly warming due to man-made pollution is simply wrong.

Absolutely pathetic.

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