If waterboarding saves lives, do it
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Walter Healey
Published: March 13, 2008
I just finished reading this article on the internet titled ” Bush explains veto of waterboarding bill.”
He should not only have vetoed the bill to stop waterboarding of terrorists, but should have called a press conference and ripped it up into little pieces in front of the cameras.
If waterboarding 1000 murdering terrorists saves one American (even a liberal), I say go for it and do a good job.
When are you people going to understand that these idiots want us dead and even if you can convince the rest of the country to “tiptoe through the tulips” with you, the tulips will run red with blood when these uncivilized morons are finished hunting you down in the tulips.
It doesn’t matter to them that you hate the U.S. and agree with other morons around the world that we are evil. They want you dead also. Maybe you people should travel around the world and really see what goes on out there instead of watching from your big screen TV’s and comfortable homes.
But Eurotrash peans don’t like me. Wha, wha, think I’ll go home and cry on my Ethan Allen furniture. Wake up idiots before we have running gun battles in Woodbridge with these crazies.
WALTER HEALEY
Woodbridge
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Posted by ( barnun ) on March 25, 2008 at 3:11 pm
Removing Hussein and what he left behind has not been easy by any means. Are the anti Iraq people saying we should have just let Hussein continue to rape, pillage and mass murder at will ? Not only has he done this to his border states, but he did it to his own people. The UN should have stepped in on Middle East issues a Long time ago. They didn’t and never will.
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Posted by ( scorpio ) on March 21, 2008 at 9:22 am
This is a no brainer: if torturing a terrorist, I repeat - a terrorist, saves even one innocent life - it is not only worth it but it is necessary! Let us not forget also that by wiretapping the british prevented the hijacking of 10 airplanes last year.
So, let Nancy Pelosi, Cindy Sheehan and such sing along “Give peace a chance” but let our soldiers and the inteligence do their job!
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Posted by ( QuestionAuthority ) on March 17, 2008 at 7:16 pm
“Two Afghan detainees at Bagram were killed within a week of each other followint several days in which the men were punished by being shackled to the ceilings of isolation cells to keep them from sleeping, and repeated beatings by guards. Investigators recommended criminal charges against 27 military police and intelligence personnel.“ http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/b/bagram_air_base_afghanistan/index.html
“Jamadi was abducted by US Navy Seals on November 4, 2003…and was placed in Abu Ghraib as an unregistered detainee. After some 90 minutes of interrogation by CIA officials, he died of ‘blunt force injuries’ and ‘asphyxiation’, according to the autopsy documents obtained by Time. “ http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/afx/2005/11/13/afx2333394.html
“Bashmilah’s story also appears to show in clear terms that he was an innocent man. After 19 months of imprisonment and torment at the hands of the CIA, the agency released him with no explanation, just as he had been imprisoned in the first place. He faced no terrorism charges. He was given no lawyer. He saw no judge. He was simply released, his life shattered.“
“This really shows the human impact of this program and that lives are ruined by the CIA rendition program,“ said Margaret Satterthwaite, an attorney for Bashmilah and a professor at the New York University School of Law. “It is about psychological torture and the experience of being disappeared.“
“Bashmilah, who at age 39 is now physically a free man, still suffers the mental consequences of prolonged detention and abuse.“
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/12/14/bashmilah/
How do the brutal acts of a handful of extremists who kidnap, torture and murder innocent Americans justify our policy of torture against an entire society, the overwhelming majority of whom are kind, decent, God-fearing people just like you and me?
If someone you loved was being investigated for being friends with someone who had ties to an organization suspected of supporting terrorism, would it be OK for your loved one to be taken to prison, denied a habeas corpus hearing and repeatedly tortured until they signed a confession to make the pain stop or were cleared of wrongdoing?
If we’re the ones committing brutal and perverse acts of violence and humiliation against helpless naked prisoners, many of whom were rounded up simply because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time and are merely suspected of wrongdoing, doesn’t that kinda make us the bad guys?
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Posted by ( barnun ) on March 17, 2008 at 9:42 am
First, we dont torture people to death. Second, our enemies Kill the ones they capture, or have you already forgetton how many people they have de capitated ? this was not in revenge of waterboarding, it’s just how they are. Next, lets not pretend that Bush invented guantanamo, it has been there for decades. Remember that whatever you take away from Bush, you also take away from the next president, who ever he or she may be. Haliburton and KBR’s profits dont even compare to the oil company’s profits. Sadaam should have been removed for his crimes against humanity and for his 13 broken resolutions. This should have been done by the UN. Point your fingers at them for not doing their job. Oh, and i dont think we rounded up innocent people and tortured them for their color, but we did pick up some people off the battle feilds and some through intense investigation. We should also be well aware that there is a religion out there that preaches death for Everyone outside of their group. That is why they have been killing each other for decades.
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Posted by ( QuestionAuthority ) on March 14, 2008 at 2:37 pm
What a repulsive comment.
What makes an American life so much more special than any other that we feel the right to torture and terrorize others for an illusion of safety? Is this who we are in the land of the free and the home of the brave? Not so free or brave it would seem!
What gives us the right to round up innocent people and torture them, in some cases torture them to death, because their skin is a different color or they worship a different God?
We invaded and ruined a country that posed no threat to us and had nothing, NOTHING to do with 9/11. We lost 3,000 on 9/11 and in return our actions in Iraq have lead to upwards of 1,000,000 deaths, the complete destruction of a society of 60,000,000, disease, despair and ruin. Our paid mercenaries destroy and kill with impunity…we won’t prosecute them nor will we allow the Iraqis to prosecute them. We are billions of dollars in debt to China, a debt your children and mine will have to repay, while Haliburton and KBR post record profits.
And still we cower in fear from the “terrorists” who run free 7 years after 9/11. We give up our freedoms for an illusion of security. Are we more secure? Or have our atrocities done more to motivate a new generation of terrorists?
How many innocent people do we have to kill and torture before we become the terrorists?
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Posted by ( Godsaveus ) on March 14, 2008 at 1:41 pm
The use of waterboarding as an interrogatory method might be cruel but nobody dies under this kind of interrogations that save many lives. Terrorist and jihadist are not going to stop killing or torturing innocent people even you stop using waterboarding or close Guantanamo or stop the war in Iraq. They don’t think like you . BE REAL
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Posted by ( edwinking ) on March 14, 2008 at 1:07 pm
The question should not be what would we want done to them if our mother was held by them, but rather, what would we want done to our mother? Certainly they will do to us all and more than we do to them.There are far more Americans in at risk situations than any other group. Americans will pay a terrible price for our use of torture. It is unjustified, inhumane, cruel and unamerican. Mr. Bush will be well protected and in no danger as will be the case for all his friends and family but Private John Doe will be at risk. I am as much concerned for Private Doe as I am for Mr. Bush.Mr. Bush has never demonstrated any willingness to take a personal risk but seems wery willing to order other others to do so. Wonder how he would like to be waterboarded, maybe about as much a he wanted to join us in Vietnam. My Christian Bible says clearly,“Do unto others as you would have them do to you”. As for me, I don’t want to be waterboarded.
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Posted by ( phdee ) on March 14, 2008 at 10:59 am
The Bush administration is fascist in all ways, including torture.
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Posted by ( jVA ) on March 14, 2008 at 9:00 am
Steve, thanks for your service, and good luck in Kuwait!
I served six years in the Army myself including a year in Saudi Arabia for Operation Desert Storm. Sorry, but I do not agree that waterboarding should be part of our normal interrogation methods.
I do not want to see America become a country where our government tortures people and spies on its citizens. That sounds more like the USSR than the USA to me. Apparantly to people like Walter Healey this makes me a liberal who hates the US. Whatever.
Want to beat the terrorists? Instead of spending 3 trillion dollars blowing up Iraq, why not spend 3 trillion coming up with an alternative fuel, so we can get out of the middle east altogether? We’re not going to kill and torture our way out of the real problem.
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Posted by ( smueck ) on March 14, 2008 at 5:43 am
Mr. Healey as a Woodbridge resident and an Army soldier currently station in Kuwait I would like to thank you from the bottom of my heart. You get it. I would ask the American public how far they would go with interrogations if their mother or father or sister or brother or son or daughters life was on the line. Would they consider water boarding cruel and inhuman or would they do whatever it took to get the information required to save their loved ones?
Steve Mueck
Woodbridge
(US ARMY currently stationed in Kuwait)
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