Time for changed immigration thinking

Posted by ( zcxnissan ) on August 25, 2008 at 4:42 am

If we help to create jobs in Mexico that surely would solve some of the dilemma of illegal immigration as well as to preserve US jobs for legal immigrants and native citizens. LOL Chris Cummings

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Posted by ( raywilliams ) on August 21, 2008 at 4:43 pm

We are in a global economy now and supporting American business and/or products is going to become more blurred over time. But we can support business where the company takes care of their own employees with full benefit packages for those working some definition of Full Time.
The thought seems to be we can buy cheaper if we are not paying for another’s benefits, but in the end, we DO subsidize those without benefits with our tax dollars being spent on health care or programs such as school breakfast programs.
And how would WE feel if our boss walked in and said he was chopping our benefit package so the company could sell more of “our” product to people that didn’t want to cover OUR vacation time or dental costs.
When you steal from someone else, you steal from yourself at the same time.

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Posted by ( cobra ) on August 21, 2008 at 1:09 pm

Phdeebag,
what are you 15 years old as every posts start with “passing gas”. I am going to grit my teeth and agree with you that hell yeah I’m upset with the number of jobs that are going overseas as well as companies who continue to bring in foreign workers. I have stated that on many ocassions. I left Microsoft over that very issue. The so called “High Tech Workers” were not so High Tech. Most had Bachelors degrees just as the majority of workers there at Microsoft. Bill Gates, a prominent Liberal is on Capital Hill almost monthly demanding access to more foreign workers. Where is your criticism of those Corporations run by Libs who are moving jobs off shore? As far as China, I do not shop at Walmart. Do you? If so then you are part of the problem. I try and buy American every where I can. Yes it is increasingly more diffult and expensive but I feel it is worth it to support American Workers. I just purchased a brand new Mustang from Ford that costs close to $40k. There were many foreign imports that were attractive but I selected the Mustang. My other vehicle is a Chev Tahoe. I don’t buy foreign made cars. And yes the Mustang is made/assembled in the US and not Mexico as some have stated. But the bottom line is that Corporations have every right to off shore jobs. There is nothing illegal about that. But if they are benefiting from Government Contracts then that’s where I draw the line. There are many foreign based business’s who outsource jobs to the US. It is a global economy wether we like it or not. And just one other note about Big Oil. Do you have a pension plan? If so go take a look and see if that plan is invested in Oil Stocks. You may be suprised. I would expect you to pull out of that plan if you are really against Big Oil.

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Posted by ( Grant Gary Jacobsen ) on August 21, 2008 at 9:51 am

Ray Williams makes a good point. Americans will have to learn Chinese if they intend to be competitive in the 21st century.

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Posted by ( LRMan ) on August 20, 2008 at 10:36 am

The US is a sovereign country.  We have the right as such to enjoy our international borders.  Regardless of the incentive(s) that drive people from other countries to violate our sovereignty, it is not acceptable behavior.  It is not our responsibility to solve other peoples’ problems.  We have problems in the US that would warrant our attention (i.e. our tax dollars) BEFORE addressing others’.  Once we solve all of our problems, then we can consider solving others’ problems. 

This doesn’t mean we should refrain from spending our tax money outside the US.  There are very valid reasons that are in our national interest to warrant spending our tax dollars overseas. 

If we want to stop people from entering our country illegally, we can compare 2 approaches.

One would be to not have a wall (cost avoidance), be very lax on internal enforcement (cheaper), and spend our money building jobs for Mexicans, in Mexico (big expense).

Or, we could put up a wall (expense), optimize our border patrol (expense), and optimize our internal enforcement (expense).

Now choose.

As you ponder your decision, consider the fact that illegal aliens originate from other countries other than Mexico.  So, if we focus on just Mexioc, we’ll still have illegal aliens from all the others.  Second, assume we are able to create enough jobs in Mexico for every potential illegal alien.  You then have to ask yourself, whether those jobs will be sufficient to dissuade potential illegal aliens from choosing to enter our country illegally anyway.  Then, if you assume that all the jobs we created in Mexico and everywhere else where illegal aliens orginate, are sufficient, you have another question to ask.  Are there any illegal aliens who enter our country illegally with incentives other than jobs?  Maybe they like our climate better.  Maybe they want a better quality of life.  Maybe they just like hamburgers better than burritos.  Whatever the reason, if it is not the job, then creating jobs wouldn’t address their incentives.  So, we would have spend all this money providing jobs for illegal aliens in their country of origin only to have them violate our soveriegnty anyway.

Now, if you simply control our borders, you can keep out illegal aliens, regardless of their incentive to enter our country illegally.  Also, such a strategy does not focus on only one, or a few, countries of origin.  Illegal aliens from Mexico, Nicaragua, Ireland, or Waziristan would be kept out.

Which sounds better?

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