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Peggy Giltner
Published: April 13, 2008
The most mean-spirited and divisive language I have seen regarding the illegal immigration resolution has been in your very own editorials. That is where the fuel for the animosity and fear that you speak of is coming from. It seems that you prefer to scare rather than to assure the public that this resolution has no effect on anyone who is in this country legally.
Our county supervisors were elected to represent the views of the voters who put them in office. They do not represent the local newspaper.
You have continually insulted Chairman Corey Stewart on a petty, personal level for doing what his constituents have demanded of him. Isn’t that a little mean-spirited?
You say that you are done exhorting Stewart to change his ways. That is the good. He was not elected to be a puppet of this newspaper.
PEGGY GILTNER
Woodbridge
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Posted by ( zcxnissan ) on April 19, 2008 at 2:06 am
Let the elected officials do their jobs as well as let the police enforce the laws on the books, enough said. It is sad we have to deal with this illegal problem B.s. from all the illegals and apologists in the county. I cry crocodile tears for the suffering illegals. Chris Cummings
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Posted by ( barnun ) on April 18, 2008 at 11:36 am
Ray, I think the only thing we can do is to enforce the laws we have and push washington for a fully supported plan. To not enforce the law is to break the law. I dont care what their plan is as long as they support it. continueing down this path of turning a blind eye is what actually fuels the fires.
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Posted by ( raywilliams ) on April 17, 2008 at 4:10 pm
barnun, didn’t mean to say Bush was the problem, just we’re under his shift right now. I don’t like Bush at all but wholly agreed and supported his Immigration Package that was shot down by BOTH sides of the aisle. Someone (you?) stated not hard enough for the righties and too loose for the lefties! That’s when you know you’re RIGHT.
The question becomes how do we in PWC stop this mudslinging and start to discuss rational options to explore?
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Posted by ( barnun ) on April 17, 2008 at 3:27 pm
gregg, the local law enforcement is always expected to uphold federal law. Are you suggesting they now look the other way on the laws ?
Ray, I’ve always agreed and stated many times that i think there needs to be a comprehensive solution. many things need to happen at once. Ray, i do think it is only fair to point out that the illegals have been coming since before Reagan. all of the presidents and all of congress share the guilt and blame for the mess we now have. Trying to blame Bush turns this into a political one side vs the other side and this is how washington is able to continually side step the issue. I would like to point out also that it seems phdee has come to see the light. he posted this in the gun forum. so now we can all agree to enforce the law.
Posted by ( phdee ) on April 17, 2008 at 1:22 pm
Jefferson said, Wazhington said, Adams said, Joe blow said, etc etc. Who cares. What was said is irrelevant. All that matters is what’s in the law, not what was said while in a bar.
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Posted by ( raywilliams ) on April 16, 2008 at 9:43 pm
barnun, thus the question becomes which path to take to solve the problem. Do we send our troops out single file or spread them across the terrain? Have one approach or a multi-pronged effort. We need to get away from ‘how we got here’ to where are we going and how’.
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Posted by ( gregg_reynolds ) on April 16, 2008 at 8:44 pm
Vic writes
“So county leaders drafted a resolution…“ WRONG!
I do not consider Greg Letiecq a county leader. He is not an elected official and yet according to a Washington Post article dated July 22,2007 “He and his group (HSM) researched, facilitated,and wrote parts of the illegal-immigration resolution…working with the Washington -based Immigration Reform Law Institute”
Illegal Immigration was not identified as a problem by PWC residents until HSM started to beat the drum. Overcrowding and code violations yes, but they could have been handled by enforcing local laws. I agree with Ray Williams. This is a federal issue and he has some sound ideas of how to fix it. I do not want my county tax dollars going into a black hole when we have so many other things that need to be funded.
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Posted by ( raywilliams ) on April 16, 2008 at 6:46 pm
barnun, you see this is an issue the Bush Administration has avoided in order to help his BIG BUSINESS supporters. And I mean BIG BUSINESS, like the 400,000 acre farms and meat processing plants. They need the labor to keep our food prices acceptable and from Bush’s point of view, keep inflation under control during his watch. He ain’t keepin’ the borders open to help little guys like me!
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Posted by ( barnun ) on April 16, 2008 at 4:07 pm
There were a group of hispanics that lived a couple doors down from me. I talked to the ones that spoke english fairly often. One of the guys was saving up to bring his wife here. he said it cost 15k in bribe money to get the lawyers on the south side of the border to process the papers. I understand why people come to the US. I agree that border control is key. There should be a Massive DMV on the border run by the US to process incoming people. They should get a time limited work Visa. If they follow the rules, and obey the laws, they should be entitled to apply for an extension. The anchor baby rule would have to get changed. Social programs should be non existant for anyone not legal. Employer fines should be swift and stiff. It wouldn’t be that tough. Lack of border control and a simple legal process process has led to chaos, frustration for everyone and fertilizes the potential for racism. for now the fact remains that illegal is just that, illegal. It’s a crime.
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Posted by ( Vic ) on April 16, 2008 at 7:12 am
PROGRESS IN PRINCE WILLIAM
By arresting and deporting illegal immigrants, the county begins to heal itself.
LAST SUMMER, the citizens of Prince William County, Virginia, declared they had enough already. Enough of the thousands upon thousands of illegal aliens who continue to invade the county with their poverty, crime and diseases. Enough of their unchecked demands for tax-free education, health care and other community services. Enough of their overcrowding of local housing, as well as their lawlessness, filth and blatant disregard for any sense of propriety, morality or common decency.
So county leaders drafted a resolution that committed the county to work more closely with the Immigration and Customs Enforcement Branch of the federal government. The Board of County Supervisors held multiple hearings on the subject, heard a wide range of viewpoints, and eventually and unanimously passed the resolution into law.
As part of the plan, county law enforcement authorities committed to work with ICE and get the necessary training and certifications on immigration law and detention procedures. The county also decided to reach deep into its own budget coffers and commit to spend about $6.4 million in the first year, as the first installment of an expected total program cost of about $26 million over the next five years – to support additional staff, facilities and equipment. And recognizing the need to immediate action, Prince William’s elected supervisors opted to drain $800,000 from the county’s reserve fund to get the program up and running before the new fiscal year starts July 1.
In launching its long overdue crackdown on illegal aliens, Prince William County realized it must do what the State of Virginia and the national government have thus far failed to do—that is, enforce state, national and international laws on immigration and border security, promote appropriate health, safety and labor practices, and stem the rising tide of human trafficking in those who steal jobs and livelihoods from honest citizens, disrupt neighborhoods and communities, pay less than their “fair share” of taxes, don’t invest in local community services and generally, remit most of their ill-gotten monetary gains to other countries.
While some county leaders and citizens continue to worry about the high cost of the initiative, most also realize that the cost of inaction would be so much greater – in such things as declining property values across the county, lost jobs and livelihoods for honest citizens, higher costs for running county schools, hospitals and other community and social service activities, higher crime rates, and fewer revenues from the county tax structures.
Since the resolution took effect earlier this year, there have indeed been a few more arrests of suspected illegal aliens in Prince William County. According to county police chief Charlie Deane, most of these arrests would have taken place anyway – regardless of the resolution – because those being arrested are also accused of other crimes. The only real difference now is that county officials are also looking into the citizenship of their suspects, and checking with ICE to see if the federal agency has placed any retainer on these suspects. And unfortunately, given the high number of illegal aliens in Prince William County, the number of arrests has managed to exceed the “amount of available bed space” that ICE has for detaining illegal aliens – and forced a slowdown of some inmate transfers.
County officials have been working with ICE to develop some options – and both sides are encouraged that they will come up with a fair and equitable solution. Yet, those who would like to see this effort fail – are seizing this temporary turbulence and using it as an opportunity to say, “I told you it would be difficult, so why did you even bother to try?”
Yet, even the critics cannot discount the fact that the modest efforts to date have already resulted in some desired effects and outcomes. Independent reports from around the county indicate that many illegal aliens are realizing their days are numbered, and so they are voluntarily leaving. County school leaders report substantial drops in the numbers of illegal alien students –and fewer requirements for English as Second Language classes, additional teachers, equipment and instructional materials. The county’s emergency health care facilities are no longer as crowded with illegal aliens as they once were, nor are there as many lost costs and other unreimbursed expenses to be written off or passed along to paying customers.
Finally, county citizens are starting to feel that it just might be safe to venture out again and enjoy life within their neighborhoods and communities. And that, perhaps most of all, simply infuriates the opponents of law and order in Prince William County.
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Posted by ( phdee ) on April 15, 2008 at 3:15 pm
Vic, your paragraph about illegals bringing poverty, disease, low-skills, no health insurance, crime, etc. sure makes it look like they are trying to - and do - fit into so uch of American society. It was an excellent desc ription of the state of affairs among American society todcay. So what are you doing about the Americans?
“They Shoot Horses You know” - movie
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